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An authentic conversation between Wayne and former teammate, friend and now senior coach of the Sydney Swans, John Longmire.

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They talk about: the influence of Paul Roos, the importance of creating an environment for young men to be able to talk, finding the balance between driving high performance and supporting the player as a person, knowing when to step forward and when to step back, accepting that the coach isn’t always the best person for the situation and trusting the people you have around you, how he looks after his own mental health. Wayne also asks if John knew that he lived with mental health conditions during their time as teammates and what he thought once he found it.